Re: Every Dog Must Know This: How To Train Your Dog To Stay - training a dog
Re: Every Dog Must Know This: How To Train Your Dog To Stay
This video was made one and a half years ago, and I believe that my editing skills have increased greatly since then. So this is video is for the people who have been pleading me to re-release it for over a year. Sorry for the delay. However I plan to make a new slick version of how to teach a bombproof stay using clicker training shortly, as I am a perfectionist and this video could be confusing to a new puppy owner. The video will have short easy to understand steps, rather that this video which is more like a rant on using positive punishment. I must say that my beginning videos on youtube did have a hint of irritation and annoyance in them, as it seemed at the time- a couple years back, there were not really any videos on how to teach things with TRUE clicker training, just a mix and match medley of using a clicker and then punishing the dog... I have realized over the years that being annoyed gets you no where, with dog or people, and so, if youll notice, my recent tutorials are less abrasive. The basics of this technique- Instead of saying eh eh! as you add the distraction and the dog gets up, you are going to CLICK! the dog at the very same moment the distraction happens, telling them YES! For staying there, even in the presence of THAT! then once you are confident your dog will continue staying. Start to delay your click for longer and longer AFTER the distraction has already appeared. NEVER let the dog get the distraction, if they get up, BUT you can let the dog ...
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What NOT to do and why- dog training clicker tips - training a dog
What NOT to do and why- dog training clicker tips
PLEASE READ THE WHOLE MANIFESTO IN AN EASIER FORMAT HERE: www.dogmantics.com It also translated into Dutch Swedish Spanish and Portuguese on that site. Here is a small excerpt: The many problems with using physical or psychological intimidation: 1) Without perfect timing, intensity, and consistency, the "training" amounts to nothing more than abuse. 2) The animal learns to avoid the punisher in order to indulge in undesirable behavior. 3) These techniques can cause irreversible emotional damage to the animal. 4) The punishment can increase stress hormones, arousal, and aggression. 5) Animals can habituate to the punishment -- meaning that the intensity of the punishment must keep increasing to have any effect as the animal learns to endure it. 6) You cannot change an animal's basic emotional response to find children, adults, or other animals (or anything for that matter) reinforcing by using intimidation; you can only suppress the dog's punished behaviors. 7) Intimidation can cause dogs to hide their warning signs before attempting to bite. 8) Dogs trained with punishment can feel trapped by their handlers, since the decision to leave a 'stay' or to leave the handler's side (to escape from a bothersome child, for example) can cause punishment. Animals who feel they have no escape tend to bite rather than move away. 9) Intended intimidation can actually increase the behavior you wish to extinguish, as intimidation involves giving a form of attention to an animal. 10) The ...
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ReplyDeleteBecause you'd be starting from the easiest possible thing and then working your way up to harder things, your dog would get up because it got too hard for them too quickly. When you teach a stay there should be no distractions around. Once your dog can stay with no distractions you don't immediately add the hardest distraction to be around. Instead you should add smaller distractions and click before the dog has a chance to get up. If the dog gets up, use a less distracting distraction.
ReplyDeleteThis is great, thanks for taking time out of your life to generously share this with us. Your argument about positive training makes total sense, and I've never heard it so eloquently expressed.
ReplyDeleteHi there! I'd like to know what to do if she gets up?
ReplyDeleteJust because you didn't get bitten doesn't mean that intimidation and force is right. ESPECIALLY when Kikopup is showing people, for free, how to teach the same end behavior without using force and intimidation.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you could post a link to the new video in the description of this one?
ReplyDeleteWhat would you have done if your dog had gotten up?
ReplyDeleteThat was so funny when you threw dog toys and stuff at 0:41. Great video.
ReplyDeleteUghh just accidentally watched the zakgeorge video. I CRINGED and SHOUTED when I saw his method. YAY KIKOPUP XX
ReplyDeletezak's dog clearly trusts him and that is why zak can grab his dog like that, his dog trusts him so thats why the dog didn't bite, i used zaks method and my dog was perfectly fine with it and didn't seem stressed at all, it caused no pain or stress to the dog to stop it before it runs off, if it did i wouldnt have continued. No dispresect to kikopup, because i believe this method is also very effective because i trained my friends dog this way because her dog nips if you move to quick. I think
ReplyDeleteGreat video. Just shows what clarity and kindness can do.
ReplyDeletedid anyone see the thing tht flew at 12:49????
ReplyDeleteGreat vid. I am still learning clicker training methods, and this is another in a series of great videos by kikopup.
ReplyDeleteClicker training is great for teaching a new trick, but after that it is much better to do it naturally. Use your voice, dogs aren't robots they do understand words if we bother to TEACH them.
ReplyDeleteClicker = reinforcement sound (as saying "good boy" or "yes") - it just sounds constantly the same, which is great for an animal to understand...
ReplyDeleteDamn all this clicker training! do it naturally!
ReplyDeletedo you have 2 dogs? i know you didn't ask me but i can help some:)
ReplyDeletecute little toy rat terrier :D
ReplyDeletepraise her like she just won the lottery when pooping outside. every time.
ReplyDeletei have a 14 week airedale and we already taught her down but didnt have a release for her when we taught her initially. i've been trying to practice your technique but sometimes she just gets up when she pleases it's not the majority of the time tho. any tips on reversing this behavior
ReplyDeleteWell I love zak George except for that 1 video of his. That is completely wrong. He is not half bad trainer tho :)
ReplyDeletehey kikopup i think you are awsome, another dog whisperer. i live in ireland have two beautiful dogs.
ReplyDeletecan you please teach how to do potty ... my dog is 2 month old and she poop everywhere she want.. except not on bed...
ReplyDeleteThanks my dog is starting to get it.
ReplyDeleteit took 3mn for our Pepper (who LOVES treats) to get it and do it. Thanks u r brilliant!
ReplyDeleteI really need to apologize to my dog.. i didnt know this thank you!!!
ReplyDeleteWhen I started volunteering at the humane society the trainer there had her own training business that "specializes in electronic collars"
ReplyDeleteShe taught us to snap the leash to get the dog to stop pulling, so for awhile that's what I would do
But now we have a new trainer that's a lot better, if im remembering right she does use the "ahah" but she doesn't use choke chains, shock collars etc.
I just recently hired a trainer to help with my dog's separation anxiety. All he has really addressed is basic obedience, and his methods are purely force training, using a choke collar and an E-collar. After watching him "teach" my dog the down command,I decided to do some research myself.Since the last session I have taught my dog using treats and luring, it has been an absolute BLAST for both of us. This lesson has cost me $600 + $200 for the e-collar, but I know we will be so much happier.
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between guiding a dog by pulling the leash to get the dog to walk with you and say if you were walking your dog and he went to run towards a cat and you jerked the leash once he had already reached the end of his leash and he get yanked back a foot from jerking him. There is a difference between an even pull to walk with you, than a jerk.
ReplyDeleteThank you! Sometimes i forget what not to do and have some troubles with my dogs, but your video was really useful and with informations i have forgotten some time ago. Really, thanks!
ReplyDeleteI believe she said "jerking" the leash, or "dragging" the dog.
ReplyDelete(youtube.com/watch?v=ueE1S1k74Ao Fast forward to 0:35 when the dog wants to crossover and she just says that you should give the dog less leash). The one in the link is when she said "lets go." I reviewed 3 vid cos I want to learn how I can walk with my dog calmly:D not sure if that's the vid that u watched though.Hope it helps while we wait for her response:) *if you could name the video where she said that you should jerk the leash, I would like to know too! Thanks:)
ReplyDeleteI totally agree but my chihuahua is really bad at marking stuff hes been weeing on his food even! I cant use treats etc as incentive to train him because hes always suspicious of food etc even from my wife who he loves to bits! Do you have any tips? Thanks
ReplyDeleteExcellent and heart felt video. Thank you. I do sometimes shout at my dogs and always feel bad about it. They do not deserve it. They are so eager to please and loving. Positive reinforcement is wonderful. Will keep on trying.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason this hasn't happened yet is because using PR is relatively new in the competition scene. Lots of people didn't believe that humans could walk on the moon or travel into space, but they did. This is no different.
ReplyDeleteWhen your dog trashes your yard its YOUR fault not the dog's fault. Train your dog NOT to trash your backyard.
ReplyDeleteI had a manual (supposed to teach me how to train a German shep) that taught me to do just that. It also said to lightly tap on its ears to teach the dog good behavior.
ReplyDeleteYou can train any animaldoing anything with PR methods. I have a working line GSD, we use stictly PR and have had no problems. If you are working with a k9 unit GSD, these methods would be even better because that strengths the want for the k9 to listen in dangerous situations. Alot of trainers have refrained using positive pun because these dogs became afraid of their handlers.
ReplyDeleteSo when my dog trashes everything in the backyard I say, no, naughty in a nice voice, no I raise my voice and they know they've done something wrong
ReplyDeletewait so who on earth would in there right mind shove a dogs face into its own urine!!!!!
ReplyDeleteabsolutly false. "true working dogs" do not need P+ to "perfect their skills". This is a myth. Part of what makes them "true working dogs" is their desire to perform, P+ damages that desire. to what extent depends on a whole lot of things, but it damages it just the same.
ReplyDeleteShe doesn't seem to have to many facial expressions. It's kind of weirding me out.
ReplyDeleteawesome. i just got a puppy. i got a lot to learn. thanks for such awesome videos!
ReplyDeleteShe does mention that these are used mostly for companion animals, that is pets that don't work. Obviously some animals need different techniques if they are working animals rather than lap dogs. She even mentions that this is a technique for people that want to be friends. I work with my employees differently than I work with my friends and family. Same thing, but with a dog in this case.
ReplyDeleteWait, but could I still use the word "no," or "ah," as long as it isn't used in an intimidating way? As if a teacher is telling a student "that's not how to do it," but being polite and respectful about it?
ReplyDeleteFLUFFY:( I USE TO DO THAT BUT NOW I NOT NOT TO THNK YOU
ReplyDeleteI want to know how a touch to snap a dog back to reality before it becomes fixated is a bad thing and intimidating. If your calm and don't show signs of anger the dog don't see it as intimidation. Its the same thing a saying leave it calmly. Poking it hard with anger and saying leave it with anger are the same thing. Like when I am playing a video game and someone is trying to get my attention but it's like I don't hear them so they poke me something to snap me out it. Not trying to hurt me or
ReplyDeleteAnd believe me that I would be DELIGHTED to find a truly successful trainer that has achieved something decent in competition or real life using only PR, but dogs are in some ways like kids and sometimes they need a correction so they can better understand what you expect and ask of them.
ReplyDeleteJust one question: have you work regularly with genuine working-line dogs? I'm asking because from your response it seems that you have not and are like more responses I get: a quote from a quote from a quote from someone else, but no verifiable information on which base such opinions.
ReplyDeleteI would LOVE to meet a successful trainer in SchH or Ring that ONLY uses PR on his/her dogs, but given my experience and research, the drives of most true working dogs need some P+ to perfect their skills.
I was reading a Police Dog Training Blog (google Positive police dogs) and the author would disagree with you. The reason Positive Reinforcement hasn't taken Schutzhund by storm isn't because it's "not very reliable". The reason has more to do with the humans involved in Schutzhund...their egos, personalities, and the mystique they try and create regarding their dogs that feeds the image that they are some how doing something more "diffecult" or working with something mroe "wild" than pet dogs
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